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kev

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by kev »

Ainna wrote:
Because who would join another heavily monetized pserver that could die in a few weeks? Noone that still plays official thats for sure, maybe a few.
Not true if the files ever got public released, servers would be forced to make their pserver less monetized as more people would try to make the best pserver maybe owners of such private servers would be crazy to add more content as to make their server the best but who knows that's just stupid theories I am making up
Ainna wrote: Also:
I really wanna mess with mabinogi Q_Q
I would try to make the fieldbosses more attractive by adding mounts like the stoopd dragons to only drop from desert dragon or whatever.
Then people might actually care about them xD
Argh I have so many Ideas I wanna try out :<<<

On that note, we should make a thread about what we would do if we had the files.
-> Point out the good and bad ideas of each other.
-> Create the ultimate server.
-> Be sad because we dont have the files :<
Also it would be hard to mess with mabinogi while complied sadly you could do some simple changes like changing the rewards of dungeons and what not or even then it might be hard but who knows maybe someone might try to mess with the files and decompile them but I wish them luck assuming the files ever get released

Ainna wrote: - no updates / stuck at g13
hmm not 100% true people crazy for more money or even a bigger community might try to add content pass g13 like homesteads or even custom homesteads
and maybe even customs generations but I doubt it's possible

but of course there will be small updates like bug fixes and what not and also the fixing of them translations would be a good start
Ainna

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by Ainna »

kev wrote: Not true if the files ever got public released, servers would be forced to make their pserver less monetized as more people would try to make the best pserver maybe owners of such private servers would be crazy to add more content as to make their server the best but who knows that's just stupid theories I am making up
Yes, thats pretty much what I meant. You cannot really monetize it heavily even in non-released state as noone would play it because of the nature of the game.
Releasing the files would cause a wave of pservers popping up and the best one will surive. Which might just be the best for the community.
kev wrote: Also it would be hard to mess with mabinogi while complied sadly you could do some simple changes like changing the rewards of dungeons and what not or even then it might be hard but who knows maybe someone might try to mess with the files and decompile them but I wish them luck assuming the files ever get released
You can still do a bit with compiled files. I don't know how the server executeable is written but you could probably even do custom items with the official files. Just not as easy as with an emulator like aura.
Easy things to change would be item drops. Special items being dropped by mobs / fieldbosses / dungeons.
Adding special mobs / custom bosses. Both with new sprites or using existing ones. We could do custom Gachapons that could drop from every mob with a very low chance (tho then ppl would bot.....).
kev wrote: hmm not 100% true people crazy for more money or even a bigger community might try to add content pass g13 like homesteads or even custom homesteads
and maybe even customs generations but I doubt it's possible

but of course there will be small updates like bug fixes and what not and also the fixing of them translations would be a good start
Well generations usually add alot of new content. You would have to extend all the dbs for items, quests, skills (<- might be the most difficult thing) etc and then implement it into the compiled server exe. Yes it might be possible but its very difficult and time comsuming.
I don't know how the official files work, neither am I a coder but I don't see a way how you could tell the server how to look and handle new skills. You just can't do it without the source. In terms of quests and items: if it works similar to a ragnarok server then you could just hex new IDs or use old / unused ones.

So yeah... ppl might be able to add "new content" but not really whole generations. It's very limited but certainly possible.
kev

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by kev »

Ainna wrote: So yeah... ppl might be able to add "new content" but not really whole generations. It's very limited but certainly possible.
maybe after a few years it could change from being very limited to actually possible but no one knows until it actually happens sadly.
Ainna

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by Ainna »

According to a certain gitter, someone is buying / bought / thinking about buying the files.

INB4 SCAM

Noone should try to buy the files. They aren't worth that much.
It's far too risky. People might get scammed or might get caught by nexon. ~~

But whatever.... its not my money.

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kev

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by kev »

Ainna wrote:According to a certain gitter, someone is buying / bought / thinking about buying the files.

INB4 SCAM

Noone should try to buy the files. They aren't worth that much.
It's far too risky. People might get scammed or might get caught by nexon. ~~

But whatever.... its not my money.

┗┐ヽ(′Д、`*)ノ┌┛
Hmm not true they might be worth to what the seller and buyer thinks it worth no one knows how much it is since it's just complied files

yes I think the risk is big but the server would make back the money I assume back in 1-2 years assuming it would even get fixed,updated with custom content and what not

also being careful about nexon is a big one

where did you found this info?
Ainna

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by Ainna »

kev wrote: Hmm not true they might be worth to what the seller and buyer thinks it worth no one knows how much it is since it's just complied files
Yeah you are right but also wrong. Ofc it's worth is determined by the buyer and seller.
But you also have to consider that those files are not owned by either party. On paper the buyer wouldn't own these files because it is still property of nexon.
Also because there is no sort of legal standpoint / contract or anything, the seller could still do whatever he wants with those files.
It is beyond risky, the buyer does not obtain property or rights. You buy nothing on paper. You give away money. The seller has the upperhand in this situation.

So... how much worth are files that you do not own no matter what you do and take work/effort in order to be presentable to the english audience?
From the legal standpoint = nothing. From the "imsogonnagetscammed" standpoint = what seller / buyer thinks is right.
kev wrote: yes I think the risk is big but the server would make back the money I assume back in 1-2 years assuming it would even get fixed,updated with custom content and what not
also being careful about nexon is a big one
Well it really depends on how they would try to monetize.
Their target group = people that currently play mabinogi (1)= very hard to win over because of the way mabinogi works, people invested alot of time/effort/money into their characters
= people that played mabinogi before but stopped due to reasons (2)= hard / depends on the reason why they stopped in the first place
= people that never played mabinogi (3)= hard / normal to win over but these players are probably only a small amount but also might not stay long

If they try to monetize by selling pets for 5$ or whatever then they would probably die in a few weeks.
Why? Because why should people that are still playing (group 1) give up all their pets, levels etc just in order to buy all the shit again?
(group 2) probably wouldn't join because that could be the reason why they stopped in the first place.
(group 3) wouldn't really care until they get to know the game better.

So yeah monetization is gonna be a big part. There is no place for "making a quick buck/ big profit". -> This is also a point why the server files have little value.
And even if they manage the monetization part then they still got the nexon issue. Too many players = DMCA = prolly shutdown
kev wrote: where did you found this info?
I read on the aura gitter that ppl are still talking to tom about buying the files.
kev

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by kev »

Yes the seller does have the upper hand in this situation indeed. But as seen during the private server there was 50-60 players concurrently playing and this is just considering it was just told on epvp who knows the total amount that actually played it actively

Ainna wrote: people that currently play mabinogi (1)
I assume they mostly play because there are friend/guildies also play but let's say they didn't have any more friends/guildies to play with would they still play then? I don't know about other people but I wouldn't I played on the private server and made some friends I really enjoyed talking with people having fun doing the same quest with them but so far I don't think it's going to go anywhere unless they encourage other players to join in somehow for example


let's say your best friend on mabinogi decided to leave, he told you this in game/skype that he wanted to go play on the new private server that just came out. He just wanted to play it for reasons let's say. You decide to join him because you agree with said reasons, what happens to your other friends that liked you and what not and what about your best friends, friends? they start wanting to join because two already left and sooner or later the whole guild goes toward that server and there you have some players already playing but the question is what about your friends outside the guild? they go on skype and ask you what happened and you just tell them you joined a new server and it keeps on going on and on and on, the moment you got one of the biggest players or even hard core players that are well known in some random server to join the private one, the others will start following too something like the butterfly effect

but of course It seems very unlikely to happen or that I might be really stupid
Ainna wrote: people that played mabinogi before but stopped due to reasons (2)
I am going to assume most players quit because of the genesis update with the new combat and what not

and also some EU players quit because of the lag issues I myself feel their pain when I played on mabi na it lagged pretty badly during combat I don't know how the rest of them still play maybe I just have bad luck with mabi na I dunno really

but when I played on the private server one not much lag there was of course this one time when the pet lag came in it was pretty annoying because of the hosting I assume
there seen to be a lot of na players who played the private server for reasons I don't really know I assume because of the genesis stuff but I doubt it
again I might be really stupid it's pretty much my experience with mabi na
Ainna wrote: people that never played mabinogi (3)
I invited my friend who plays mmorpg games he never once played mabinogi or even heard of it before
I agree he didn't really understand the game that well he quit after 1-2 weeks since he really didn't know much about it I think he would have lasted longer if he didn't have to use the wiki to actually guide himself via g1 - g3 quests

but of course most people don't play private servers without actually playing the official servers first

in my opinion I only play private servers with games I only know a good amount of
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but mabinogi private server was a special case I quited mabinogi around the time Mabi EU closed

I lost a good amount of knowledge about mabi after about 2-3 years later or whenever it closed

but once every 1 year - 3 months I would start looking for a mmorpg that I liked since I could never find a new one and always wanted to go back to mabi since I remembered the good old mabi eu days

then all of a sudden I seen a private server on epvp I went on the forums and joined it at around dec I missed the beta signup but I heard there were major problems during the beta such as rbs not working and what not since orbay decided to host it on his pc.

anyways I waited for around 2 weeks hyped then came 11th jan I joined in and was happy that it was like mabi eu I played for around 2 weeks until it closed down

I was pretty annoyed as to how he closed it down so fast not even a month fully
I decided I was going to wait for it again if it ever comes back I hopped into mabi na (I checked my last rb on it, it was around 685 days)

and I was disappointed I played for around 2-3 hours just started the g1 quest it was too easy too much ap was given but the lag taken me off the game the most so right now I am just wondering around the forums looking for some random ass mmorpg to play but sadly there isn't any for now and will be like last time 1 year - 3 months hoping for a another private server to come online

but again this is my experience of the server so far I don't know about what other think of mabi na if it's good or bad since I didn't waste years on it
Ainna wrote: "If they try to monetize by selling pets for 5$ or whatever then they would probably die in a few weeks."
I seen that they added a donation shop ingame with some items so it wouldn't only be just pets I heard Flip wanted to add custom items to gachapons until the day the server shut down and he only said good bye in epvp not even in the chat but i digress there could be some ways to add some more money but I don't know what

Ainna wrote: (group 1) give up all their pets, levels etc just in order to buy all the shit again?
I don't think anyone would mind since there levels and pets will still be in mabi na

I would assume most would just want to run a trial with it and see if they want to invest their time in it and buy it again but I don't know lots of the players that play don't really care they have loads of levels and pets but they still want the server to be back again for some reason. Either way, most people don't want to support nexon anymore and I assume that's why people will be coming to private servers as one of their main goals

but like always I don't think my assumptions are right

Ainna wrote: "So... how much worth are files that you do not own no matter what you do and take work/effort in order to be presentable to the english audience?
From the legal standpoint = nothing. From the "imsogonnagetscammed" standpoint = what seller / buyer thinks is right."
there is some crazy gamblers out there that would waste money on this just to see the private server community alive

but I guess it's better then gambling in a casino since you just giving a turkish ass some money and that's it
Ainna wrote: " On paper the buyer wouldn't own these files because it is still property of nexon.
Also because there is no sort of legal standpoint / contract or anything, the seller could still do whatever he wants with those files."
You head the nail on the dot there is always a chance that the seller could just make the files public and boom the buyer can't do crap the files are out, the money was wasted, the seller happy and all that ends well only the buyers feel a pain in the ass
Ainna

Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

Post by Ainna »

kev wrote: but of course most people don't play private servers without actually playing the official servers first
They do because of:
kev wrote: so right now I am just wondering around the forums looking for some random ass mmorpg to play but sadly there isn't any for now and will be like last time 1 year - 3 months hoping for a another private server to come online
^ that very reason. Some people like pservers for testing purposes. Easy to get into the game etc.
kev wrote: I am going to assume most players quit because of the genesis update with the new combat and what not
I quit mabinogi eu long before it closed down because I wasn't happy with the business model. And I even was one of the most active players during eu beta, even got stuff for bug reports and shits.
But mabinogi is simply designed to be a money drag. I would have rather paid a monthly subscription fee than buying all the horseshit that was in the shop.

And there is no way that I am ever going back to NA because you simply cannot play a real archer with a high ping. Zero shot? OH HAI LAG.... yup im dead. SoG? ..... ... ... yeah...not gonna happen very often.
Btw I noticed that crash shot is / was pretty easy to SoG in G13.
kev wrote: I assume they mostly play because there are friend/guildies.
Sure friends / guilds play a huge role but it's not always a chainreaction. And this works both ways -> They can also make you stay.
I quit WoW 2 times now but never had a chain following me. Same for FFXIV, I quit because the game just got worse each update: noone followed me.
kev wrote: I would assume most would just want to run a trial with it and see if they want to invest their time in it and buy it again but I don't know lots of the players that play don't really care they have loads of levels and pets but they still want the server to be back again for some reason. Either way, most people don't want to support nexon anymore and I assume that's why people will be coming to private servers as one of their main goals
Well I try to relate it to myself. If a mabi private server would be pretty much the same as mabi na in terms of monetization but a bit cheaper. Then why bother?
The NA server surely won't die as fast as a private server. So my money would be safer with nexon.
If I add Pets, a buffed up character, friends and whatnot, then why should I start over on a server thats pretty much the same?

There might be people that are ok with a certain set of cashgrabs, but there are also people that are not.
Those who do not accept the monetization might leave and thus the server goes downwards.
Bad monetization -> less players -> players leave because the server is too empty -> less donations -> server shutting down.

I also wanna add that u can recieve the same and even higher income / server sustain with lower donations.
It's simple marketing: lower price -> more buyers
also: lower price -> happy -> ppl buy more often or and even more

But why isn't the pserver scene as mentioned above?
Because there are always people stupid enough to buy even the highest priced items as long as it gives them some kind of advantage. (this is also marketing btw and its called skimming tho real life skimming is more brand involved and less pay to win (it is the same thing tho as ppl with luxury brands often feel superior andwhatnot))
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Re: Wink Creating Private Server with REAL Mabinogi SERVER FILES!!!

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Ainna wrote:I searched the whole web in 5 different languages on multiple search engines. There was no hint / clue / anything that helped. Sure it's out there somewhere but hidden.
LOL well aren't you the resourceful/multilingual type. Impressive, but unfortunately, this kind of stuff usually cannot be found through search engines.
Ainna wrote:Depends on the amount of money and what kind of server. Smaller servers charging money for stuff would be dumb as fuck.
A large server sure needs some income in order to sustain itself. But that again shows how dumb the OP was.... 500bucks.....??? 50 would have been enough for his server.
Smaller servers can easily be hosted on a ~10$ vserver (its nexons code otherwise i would have said 7$) and really don't need any money from donates.
So it is ok as long as its to sustain rather than to make profit.
Just FYI: You definitely don't need $500, but there's also no way you'll be hosting it for $10. You might be able to host it on a VPS, but remember that you're not hosting a mere website here: This thing runs on Window Server and its associated services, requiring a lot of compute and memory resources.
Ainna wrote:Aura wouldn't copy paste anything, in fact i doubt they even could. But still those files could be used as reference and might solve some problems.

Also:
I really wanna mess with mabinogi Q_Q
I would try to make the fieldbosses more attractive by adding mounts like the stoopd dragons to only drop from desert dragon or whatever.
Then people might actually care about them xD
Argh I have so many Ideas I wanna try out :<<<

On that note, we should make a thread about what we would do if we had the files.
-> Point out the good and bad ideas of each other.
-> Create the ultimate server.
-> Be sad because we dont have the files :<
If you use stolen server files for reference, you're opening yourself up for legal trouble. Emulator developers generally do not associate their work with that stuff in part for this reason, as well as the fact that it kinda spoils the challenge.

If you want to mess with Mabinogi, go contribute to the Aura project. :) If you're not a programmer, this is a good excuse to pick up a book and learn. I've known several people over the years who have become skilled programmers as a result of getting involved in emulator projects.
Ainna

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Post by Ainna »

Yoorah wrote: LOL well aren't you the resourceful/multilingual type. Impressive, but unfortunately, this kind of stuff usually cannot be found through search engines.
True, unless there is a leak. And even if there is no leak you might find something useful.
Yoorah wrote: Just FYI: You definitely don't need $500, but there's also no way you'll be hosting it for $10. You might be able to host it on a VPS, but remember that you're not hosting a mere website here: This thing runs on Window Server and its associated services, requiring a lot of compute and memory resources.
True, I didn't think about needing a windows server. It really depends on the number of players tho.
I know a v-server provider that gives you 2 cores @ 2,7 ghz and 6gb ram for 6$ tho. That should be enough for a small server.
In the past I hosted a ragnarok online pserver on a 128mb ram free vps lol....

Also the official files might be able to run on linux? The control panel looks more like a SQL management than anything else. The real server executeables are in cmd prompt so linux might just be able to do it.
Yoorah wrote: If you want to mess with Mabinogi, go contribute to the Aura project. :) If you're not a programmer, this is a good excuse to pick up a book and learn. I've known several people over the years who have become skilled programmers as a result of getting involved in emulator projects.
But... but... I am lazy Q_Q
No I actually might do this in the near future.
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